WWE Monday Night RAW Results for October 29th, 2012

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WWE Monday Night RAW Results for October 29th, 2012

By MarcMiddleton · Monday, October 29, 2012 · 10 Comments

- Tonight's WWE RAW opens up with still shots from the Ryback vs. CM Punk match at last night's Hell In a Cell pay-per-view.

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We're live from the Time Warner Cable Arena in Charlotte, North
Carolina as Justin Roberts introduces WWE Champion CM Punk. Out comes
Punk with Paul Heyman. Punk is limping and has his ribs bandaged up.
Michael Cole welcomes us to RAW and he's joined by Jim Ross.

The
crowd boo's Punk as he takes the mic. He says everyone thought Ryback
was unbeatable. Everyone said it couldn't be done. Everyone thought Punk
would be just another victim. Punk says he proved everyone wrong. Punk
calls Jim Ross a buckethead and says he was wrong. Punk points out
everyone in the crowd and says they were wrong. Punk has proved everyone
wrong for 344 days he says. Punk says he has defeated every single
hero, he's survived everything they had to offer. Punk brings up beating
Rey Mysterio, Randy Orton and John Cena. Punk says Ryback isn't even in
the conversation.

Punk says his win at Hell In a Cell was
monumental. Punk brings up Brad Maddox attacking Ryback and says he had
nothing to do with it. Punk says the only thing he's guilty of is taking
advantage of a situation brought on by a WWE referee. Punk names him as
Brad Maddox. Punk says Maddox was hired by AJ Lee and says that's all
you need to know. Punk says he had nothing to do with what happened at
Hell In a Cell. "You suck" chants from the crowd. Punk brings up beating
Vince McMahon and Triple H. Punk declares that he is the best in the
world and Heyman raises the WWE Title behind him. Punk says he can
proudly say he looks at Ryback in a completely different way - behind
him. Punk says there won't be a rematch, he's moving on. Mick Foley's
music hits and out he comes.

Punk calls Foley a homeless man who
has been displaced by the storm in the Northeast. Foley tells Punk to
stay classy, making light of a situation like that. Foley brings up
Ryback destroying Punk on top of the Cell last night. Punk says the last
time we saw Foley, he was on the ground because Punk kicked his ass.
Foley says he didn't come out here to embarrass Punk because Punk did a
good job of doing that himself last night. Foley says he gave Punk a
choice a month ago - be a Legend or be a statistic. Foley says Punk blew
it. They argue about the tradition of Hell In a Cell. Punk rips into
the Charlotte fans. Punk brags more about being champion for 344 days.
Punk says it seems like Foley wants to do something. Punk proposes a
traditional Survivor Series match - Team Foley vs. Team Punk.

Foley
accepts the challenge and says Punk is on. The crowd chants for Foley
now. Punk says whoever Foley picks... Ryback's music interrupts and out
he comes to a nice reaction from the crowd. Ryback hits the ring as Punk
and Heyman retreat through the crowd. The crowd chants "feed me more"
as Ryback stands alongside Foley. We go to commercial.

Ryback vs. JTG

Back
from the break and JTG is heading to the ring and doesn't look happy
about it. The bell rings and Ryback stares JTG down. JTG hesitates but
Ryback grabs him and slams him face first into the mat. Ryback with
another big slam. Ryback misses a clothesline in the corner but connects
with a big Thesz Press. Ryback slams JTG's head on the mat some more.
Ryback nails the Meathook clothesline and Shell Shocked for the win.

Winner: Ryback

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Josh Mathews enters the ring and asks Ryback if he has an appetite for
revenge after what happened last night. Ryback says revenge is an
admission of pain and he's not hurting, he's hungry. Ryback says when he
feasts again, it will be on Punk. Ryback gets a "feed me Punk" chant
going.

- Still to come tonight, Sheamus will address his World
Heavyweight Title loss at Hell In a Cell. Also, Randy Orton vs. Wade
Barrett. Back to commercial.

Randy Orton vs. Wade Barrett

Back
from the break and out comes Randy Orton as Wade Barrett waits in the
ring. The bell rings and they lock up and go to the corner. They break
and Barrett taunts Orton. Barrett with a headlock now. Orton breaks out
and dropkicks him. Barrett goes to the floor but Orton follows. Barrett
ducks a clothesline and goes to work on Orton's arm. The steel steps
come into play and Orton slams Barrett into the announcers table. Orton
brings it back in and stomps on Barrett.

More back and forth. Barrett gets hung up on the top rope and Orton boots him out to the floor as we go back to commercial.

Back
from the break and Barrett is in control of Orton working on his arm.
Orton fights back with headbutts but Barrett hits a knee to the gut.
Barrett with more offense and a 2 count. Barrett goes right back to
Orton's hurt arm. Barrett keeps control and goes for another pin.
Barrett chokes Orton on the ropes now. Barrett has Orton hung up in the
ropes and connects with a big boot to the face. Barrett with another 2
count. More offense on Orton's arm now. Orton fights out and nails two
clotheslines and a powerslam. Barrett goes to the apron but Orton brings
him back in with the second-rope draping DDT. Orton hits the mat and
readies for the RKO. Barrett blocks it and nails Winds of Change for a 2
count. Orton ducks the Souvenir Elbow and nails the RKO for the win.

Winner: Randy Orton

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AJ Lee is backstage when Vickie Guerrero walks in. Vickie says AJ will
have the chance to explain her affair with John Cena tonight. AJ says
she didn't have an affair. Vickie says the Board of Directors has asked
her to consider hiring AJ back as a WWE Diva. Vickie says she will
determine if AJ is eligible. AJ says she does want to be a performer
again. Vickie asks AJ what she considers her biggest weakness. AJ says
she can become too emotionally attached to her job. Vickie asks if AJ is
admitting she's crazy. Vickie wants one good reason why she should give
AJ a contract when she comes back. Back to commercial.

Team Hell No vs. Darren Young and Titus O'Neil

Back
from the break and out comes one-half of the WWE Tag Team Champions
Daniel Bryan. Kane is out next. Darren Young and Titus O'Neil wait in
the ring for this non-title match. Young starts off with Bryan.

Back
and forth to start the match. Bryan unloads with kicks and Kane tags
himself in. They have words and Young takes advantage. Kane drops Young
with a big right hand and splashes him in the corner. Bryan comes back
in and dropkicks Young in the corner. Bryan and Kane yell at each other
some more. Bryan turns around to a big shoulder from Titus. Titus with a
scoop slam. Bryan fights back but Titus shoves him to the mat and
powerslams him. Titus with a 2 count.

Young comes back in and
keeps control of Bryan. Bryan fights out but Young cuts him off. Bryan
dodges a backdrop and nails a clothesline. Kane tags himself in and
takes Young to the corner. Kane unloads and hits a pair of splashes in
the corner. Kane with a sideslam for 2. Kane goes to the top rope and
comes down with a big clothesline. Titus tries to come in but Kane sends
him to the floor. Young fights Kane off but Kane grabs him and nails
the chokeslam. Titus comes in and Kane grabs him, sending him back to
the floor. Bryan tags himself in and takes advantage, putting Young in
the No Lock for the win.

Winners: Kane and Daniel Bryan

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After the match, Bryan celebrates with both titles and Kane doesn't
look happy. Kane makes the ring explodes, grabs his title belt and they
argue about the match.

- Still to come tonight, Sheamus will speak
after his Hell In a Cell loss. We see Vickie Guerrero backstage walking
and apparently she's ready to reveal her evidence. Back to commercial.

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Back from the break and we see what happened earlier with CM Punk and
Mick Foley. Cole talks about Brad Maddox and we see a clip from last
month where Maddox made an error in counting a pin on Punk. Then we see
stills from Hell In a Cell where Maddox screwed Ryback.

- We go to
the ring and out comes Vickie Guerrero. She says she's here to reassure
everyone that this is a new era on RAW. Vickie says she has been
promising evidence that John Cena and AJ Lee had an affair. Vickie calls
out Cena to the ring.

Cena says the only reason he is out here
tonight is to clear everything up. First Vickie shows us footage from
three weeks ago where Cena asked AJ out on a date in the ring. Cena says
it was just a joke and everyone understood that. Vickie shows footage
next from last week and we see Cena consoling AJ after she was fired as
General Manager. Cena says he was just giving a friend a shoulder to cry
on. Next Vickie has a still photo of Cena and AJ out having dinner
somewhere. Cena says that was the business meeting dinner he told the
world about last week. Cena says they were discussing his condition and
when he would return to action. Vickie says Cena is pathetic and has an
answer for everything. Next Vickie has footage of Cena and Vickie at a
hotel elevator. AJ enters the elevator and rides up with Cena
apparently. Cena looks worried now as Vickie rubs it in.

A "you
are busted" chant breaks out in the crowd. Cena says he knows how it
looks and Vickie laughs. Cena says AJ was going to confront Vickie and
he convinced her it was a bad decision. Cena says it's just two people
getting into an elevator and that's it. Cena says they got into the
elevator, he walked AJ to her door and that was it. Vickie suggests that
AJ let Cena into her hotel room and more happened. Vickie says it's a
good thing she's in charge and starts calling AJ names. Cena cuts Vickie
off and stands up for AJ. They go on and out comes Dolph Ziggler.

Ziggler
comes out and says everyone has seen enough to draw their own
conclusion. Cena grabs Ziggler by his collar and gets in his face. Cena
tells Ziggler to never mention his and AJ's name in the same sentence
again. Cena shoves Ziggler to the mat and walks off to the back.

- Still to come, Kofi Kingston vs. Antonio Cesaro. Back to commercial.

Kofi Kingston vs. Antonio Cesaro

Back
from the break and out comes WWE United States Champion Antonio Cesaro.
The Miz is on commentary and he doesn't look happy. Cesaro speaks but
is met with "USA" chants. Cesaro says he has learned America has the
fattest kids in the world. Cesaro brings up Halloween and calls it a
silly American holiday. Cesaro goes on until WWE Intercontinental
Champion Kofi Kingston comes out for this non-title match.

The
bell rings and Cesaro strikes first. They go at it and Cesaro takes it
to the corner. Kofi counters and comes back with a big right hand. Kofi
with another block and a kick to the head. Kofi goes to the top but
Cesaro knocks him down and hits a knee to the gut. Cesaro keeps control
and stomps on Kofi's chest. Cesaro with an arm submission now.

Kofi
fights out and fights back. Kofi dropkicks Cesaro out to the floor.
Cesaro pulls Kofi to the floor but Kofi nails a big right hand off the
steel steps. Kofi and Miz have words. Cesaro attacks from behind and the
brawl continues. Kofi tosses Cesaro over the announcers table and into
Miz. Kofi brings Cesaro back in the ring. Miz pulls Kofi off the apron
and attacks him for the DQ.

Winner by DQ: Kofi Kingston

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After the bell, Miz rolls Cesaro in the ring and they double team Kofi.
R-Truth runs down and makes the save. Miz escapes the ring but Truth
unloads on Cesaro and clotheslines him to the floor. Cesaro stands with
Miz as Kofi stands with Truth.

- Still to come tonight, Sheamus
will address his loss at Hell In a Cell. Also tonight, the teams for
Survivor Series will be revealed. Back to commercial.

- Back from
the break and Vickie walks back in on AJ. Vickie teases her about a
relationship with Cena. AJ says nothing is going on and Vickie knows it.
Vickie says she will put AJ on the roster if she admits she cares about
Cena. AJ refuses. AJ says WWE means everything to her but Vickie is not
worth lying for or hurting John. AJ walks off but Vickie calls her
back. Vickie has hired AJ. Vickie says if AJ ever lays a hand on her,
she's done. Vickie welcomes her back and says her first match will be
against Beth Phoenix. AJ thanks her and walks off.

- There's a sitdown interview with 3MB.

Zack Ryder and Santino Marella vs. Jinder Mahal and Heath Slater

We go to the ring and out comes Santino Marella and Zack Ryder before we go to commercial.

Back
from the break and out comes Jinder Mahal, Heath Slater and Drew
McIntyre. They have new music and new gear. Ryder starts things off with
Jinder. Jinder strikes first but Ryder hits him with knees and a
dropkick in the corner. More offense from Ryder and the Broski Boot.
Slater comes in for a distraction. Mahal drops Ryder over the top rope
and tags in Slater. Slater works over Ryder and tags back in Mahal. More
offense and quick tags. Slater with a 2 count after some double
teaming.

Slater beats Ryder down in the corner. Ryder counters and
tags in Santino. Santino unloads on Slater and drops an elbow for a 2
count as Mahal breaks the pin. Ryder comes in and tumbles to the floor
with Mahal. Santino pulls out the Cobra but Drew distracts him. Slater
takes advantage but Santino hits Drew with the Cobra. Slater comes from
behind and hits his finisher for the win.

Winners: Heath Slater and Jinder Mahal

- Still to come tonight, AJ vs. Beth. We go to commercial.

- It's announced Jerry Lawler will return in two weeks.

Beth Phoenix vs. AJ Lee

Beth
Phoenix waits in the ring as AJ Lee makes her way out. Beth bullies AJ
and tries to intimidate her to start the match. Beth shoves AJ to the
mat and continues running her mouth. AJ snaps and unloads on Beth. Beth
slams her hard and kicks her around. Beth takes the fight to the floor
and beats AJ up some more. Beth brings it back in for a 2 count. AJ
rolls Beth up for the win out of nowhere.

Winner: AJ Lee

After
the match, Vickie comes out and says she expected more from AJ. Vickie
re-starts the match. Beth wins with a quick Glam Slam.

Winner: Beth Phoenix

- Up next, Sheamus will speak. Back to commercial.

- We get a look back at what happened at Hell In a Cell with the referee.

- We go to the ring and out comes former World Heavyweight Champion Sheamus.

Sheamus
talks about how he still has a smile on his face after losing the World
Heavyweight Title. Sheamus says he is disappointed but last night, Big
Show was the better man. Sheamus says it took two knockout punches to do
it but Show did knock him out. Sheamus says he didn't come to WWE to
always win, he came to fight. Sheamus says last night was the fight of
his life. Sheamus says Show won the battle but the war is far from over.
Sheamus says he is dying to get back in the ring with Show. He
guarantees it won't be a fight next time, it's going to be an all out
war and when it's done, he will have the World Title back. Out comes Big
Show.

Show comes out all smiles and hits the ring with his World
Heavyweight Title belt. Show brags about the belt looking good on him.
Show says he did exactly what he said he would do at Hell In a Cell.
Show rips Sheamus and the fans. Show says nobody has ever made him dig
that deep and want something that bad but he realized he has no limits
and there is no stopping him. Show says whatever Sheamus brings won't be
good enough. Show is going to enjoy knocking the smile off his face.
Show declares that Sheamus can't beat him and will never take the belt
from him. Sheamus calls that a magnificent speech and scoops Show for
White Noise. Sheamus nails it as the crowd pops. Sheamus backs up the
ramp and stares Show down.

- Still to come tonight, the teams for
Survivor Series will be revealed. Sin Cara and Rey Mysterio vs. Cody
Rhodes and Damien Sandow is up next. Back to commercial.

- Back
from the break and Cena is backstage with AJ. He hugs her and tells her
to keep her chin up. We see Vickie watching from behind a curtain. AJ
walks off and Beth walks up to Vickie. Beth thanks her for re-starting
the match. Vickie says if Beth would have done her job the first time
she would not have had to restart it. Vickie fires Beth and walks off.

Rey Mysterio and Sin Cara vs. Cody Rhodes and Damien Sandow

We go to the ring and out first comes Rey Mysterio followed by his partner Sin Cara. Damien Sandow and Cody Rhodes are out next.

Rhodes
and Mysterio start things out. They go back and forth. Rey with a
dropkick to the face for a 2 count. Rhodes retreats to his corner and
tags in Sandow. Rey tags in Cara. They go at it and Cara dumps Sandow in
the corner. Cody comes back in and Cara unloads with kicks. Rey comes
in and keeps up the attack with some double teaming on Cody. 2 count by
Rey. Cody turns it around and tags in Sandow. Sandow works over Rey for
another 2 count. Sandow with another tag as they keep Rey down on the
mat.

Rey turns it around and tags in Cara. Rey knocks Sandow off
the apron and Cara dropkicks Cody to the floor. Rey launches Cara to the
apron and he moonsaults out onto Cody. Rey sentons out onto Sandow on
the other side of the ring. We go to commercial.

Back from the
break, Rhodes and Sandow are in control of Cara. Cody hits a long
vertical suplex for a 2 count. Cody works on Cara's arm now. Sandow
comes back in and continues the attack. Sandow keeps Cara from tagging
and in comes Cody for some more double teaming. Cara counters Cody and
rolls him up for 2. Cara with a big takedown as Rey gets the crowd hype.
Rey tags and comes in off the top, taking out Cody with a senton. Rey
with a big head scissors takedown and a kick to the arm. Cody comes back
and tosses Rey to the floor but he lands on his feet. Cody distracts
the referee and Sandow gets a cheap shot in on Rey, sending him to the
floor. Sandow tags back in for more double teaming now. Sandow with a
big leg sweep and the Elbow of Disdain for a close 2 count. More tags by
Sandow and Rhodes as they keep Rey in their corner. Rey counters Sandow
with a roll up for 2. Cody comes back in and keeps Rey down. Another 2
count by Cody. Cody with a running knee to the head and another pin
attempt. More quick tags as they keep Rey from tagging. Rey blocks a
double suplex and turns it into a double DDT. Rey tags in Cara and he
unloads on both men with a double crossbody. Cara with a back elbow to
Sandow and an enziguri kick. Cara with a 2 count on Sandow. Cara with
kicks and the big arm drag now. Cara dropkicks Sandow to the floor but
in comes Cody. Cara puts Cody in position for 619. Rey comes in but Cody
slides to safety. They end up on the floor and Cody sends Rey into the
steps. Cara corkscrews out onto Cody. Cara kicks Sandow in the head and
climbs to the top. Rhodes pulls Sandow and Cara lands on the mat. Sandow
hits The End for the win.

Winners: Damien Sandow and Cody Rhodes

-
Foley is backstage showing Kaitlyn some action on WWE '13. The game is
available tomorrow. Heyman walks in and wonders why Foley isn't putting
together his team. Foley says he didn't have to seek anyone out, the
Superstars were lining up. Foley says his team is set. Heyman says
Foley's team will have to back him up at Survivor Series because Punk
has placed a target on him. Heyman says Punk's mission is to personally
victimize Foley at Survivor Series. The teams will be revealed later
tonight. We go to commercial.

- Back from the break and we get
another video for WWE's partnership with Susan G. Komen. We come back
and Vince McMahon is on the stage with the WWE roster. He introduces
some people from the foundation and John Cena is in the ring with them
where everything is pink. Cena talks about the partnership and how it
worked because of the WWE Universe involvement. Cena presents the
foundation with a check for $1,000,000 from WWE. Dorothy Jones speaks
and talks about how the money will help fight breast cancer. She thanks
Cena, Vince and WWE. Cena thanks the fans and says they have provided
the gift of life. Cena gives a shout out to breast cancer survivors in
the crowd.

Alberto Del Rio vs. Justin Gabriel

Back
from the break and out comes Alberto Del Rio as Ricardo Rodriguez
begins the introduction. Justin Gabriel waits in the ring.

Del Rio
strikes first and takes Gabriel to the corner. Del Rio with a suplex
and a 2 count. More offense from Del Rio and another pin attempt.
Gabriel turns it around and sends Del Rio across the ring. Gabriel with a
clothesline out of the corner and a 2 count. Gabriel sends Del Rio out
to the floor and dropkicks him back. Gabriel brings it back in the ring
but Del Rio kicks him in the face. Del Rio works on the arm now.

Del
Rio with a 2 count now. Del Rio goes right back to the arm. Gabriel
fights out but Del Rio catches him in a tilt-a-whirl backbreaker for 2.
Del Rio with more offense on Gabriel's arm. Del Rio with a backdrop and
another pin attempt. Gabriel tries to fight back again but Del Rio sends
him to the mat. Del Rio with kicks to the back and another pin attempt.
More work on Gabriel's arm now. Gabriel counters a backbreaker and
kicks Del Rio in the face. Gabriel unloads with kicks. Gabriel with a
nice counter and a close 2 count. Del Rio turns it around and hits the
big kick in the corner. Del Rio with the cross armbreaker for the win.

Winner: Alberto Del Rio

- Back from the break and Paul Heyman is in the ring. Heyman introduces himself and then brings out WWE Champion CM Punk.

Punk
comes out in his gear and he's still limping from Hell In a Cell. They
have a big WWE '13 banner drop from the ceiling with Punk on the cover.
Heyman says this is a larger than life presentation for a larger than
life personality. Heyman calls Punk the greatest WWE Champion of all
time. Heyman says Punk asked him to put together Team Punk for Survivor
Series. Heyman brings out the first member of Team Punk and it's The
Miz.

Heyman brings out Cody Rhodes and Damien Sandow next. Heyman
calls the next person an almost co-captain and brings out Alberto Del
Rio. Team Punk is assembled and will have Heyman and Ricardo at
ringside. Punk takes the mic and tells the crowd to shut up and listen.
Punk says Survivor Series will be a celebration of him holding the WWE
Title for one year. Punk starts ripping Foley and out he comes.

Foley
hits the ring and the crowd chants for him. Foley says he has a problem
calling Punk a man. They go back and forth on the mic. Foley puts over
his team. Foley brings out the first man for his team and it's Kofi
Kingston. Out next comes Kane and Daniel Bryan. They join everyone else
in the ring. Foley reveals the next man to be Randy Orton. Punk says
their plan is to individually eliminate everyone but Foley so Punk can
personally get his hands on him. Foley. Foley says that's a good plan
but he's not competing. Foley will be in their corner. He brings out the
final member of his team - Ryback. Ryback stares at Punk as a brawl
breaks out. Ryback hits the ring as Punk leaves with Heyman. Everyone
else is brawling as Ryback still stares Punk down. Punk raises the WWE
Title from the stage as Ryback stands with Team Foley in the ring. The
crowd chants "feed me more." Ryback levels Cody with a clothesline.
Ryback lifts Cody up for Shell Shocked and nails it as Punk looks on
from the stage. Ryback chants "feed me more" as RAW goes off the air.

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COMMENTS (10)

Rise From The Ashes

Like | October 29 2012 at 9:56:00 PM | United States Champion | Reply

Im not getting where this AJ/Cena storyline is going, but if it keeps Cena out of the WWE Title picture, keep it going.

Shaman

Like | October 29 2012 at 11:31:00 PM | Intercontinental Champion | Reply

It's called WWe ripping off a TNA storyline.... AJ Styles accused of sleeping with Dixie compared to Cena accused of sleeping with AJ Lee, Shit that seems real similar.

Niteshadow (Moderator)

Like | October 30 2012 at 12:47:00 AM | Hall Of Famer | Reply

Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Shaman
It's called WWe ripping off a TNA storyline.... AJ Styles accused of sleeping with Dixie compared to Cena accused of sleeping with AJ Lee, Shit that seems real similar.
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Yep, that's right Shaman... WWE is stealing TnA's affair storyline because they've never done it before... oh wait... WWE has done that before... how about Lita, Matt and Edge, or Triple H, Stephanie, and Test... Perhaps TNA was stealing the WWE's storyline...

Shaman

Like | October 30 2012 at 1:05:00 AM | Intercontinental Champion | Reply

Quote:
Originally Posted by Niteshadow
Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Shaman
It's called WWe ripping off a TNA storyline.... AJ Styles accused of sleeping with Dixie compared to Cena accused of sleeping with AJ Lee, Shit that seems real similar.
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Yep, that's right Shaman... WWE is stealing TnA's affair storyline because they've never done it before... oh wait... WWE has done that before... how about Lita, Matt and Edge, or Triple H, Stephanie, and Test... Perhaps TNA was stealing the WWE's storyline...
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funny because in triple H's case he was the heel stealing the face's girl, the edge storyline was real life and the cena/AJ/ vickie storyline is a clear rip off the Styles/Dixie storyline, you know the face of the company being made to look like a dirt bag.

keep deluding yourself and it was the first one they stole but not the last because the also stole.

The bumbling ref turns heel , remember the Garrett Bischoff storyline.

you could go as far and say that they used tghe same storyline that TNA stole from Goldberg/WCW, you know with the whole undefeated streak.

A pattern is emerging.

Niteshadow (Moderator)

Like | October 30 2012 at 1:39:00 AM | Hall Of Famer | Reply

We can go back and forth about who stole what and why and when which would lead to endless back and forth conversation... instead let me state this... As much as i'm surprised they are still around, I think TnA is filled mostly with WWE washups with very poor management and storyline skill... I'm not saying WWE has been that great lately because they havn't, but until Tna actually creates a unique superstar, they will never even be close to the WWE... and by unique superstar i mean a gimmick that hasn't been done before.... honestly, I can't see that ever happening

Shaman

Like | October 30 2012 at 7:15:00 AM | Intercontinental Champion | Reply

Quote:
Originally Posted by Niteshadow
We can go back and forth about who stole what and why and when which would lead to endless back and forth conversation... instead let me state this... As much as i'm surprised they are still around, I think TnA is filled mostly with WWE washups with very poor management and storyline skill... I'm not saying WWE has been that great lately because they havn't, but until Tna actually creates a unique superstar, they will never even be close to the WWE... and by unique superstar i mean a gimmick that hasn't been done before.... honestly, I can't see that ever happening
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So TNA does develop something unique (Lockdown, an all cage PPV) WWE then starts to do gimmick PPVHell in a cell, Elimination Chamber, TLC, Extreme Rules) but in the eyes of a WWE mark TNA will never be credited for the start of sometrhing because either WWE, WCW or ECW have done it before.

I am not saying that TNA are original but that WWE is copying the ideas after TNA has done them, Am I wrong? I don't see your proof that WWE didn't copy the AJ/Dixie storyline because to someone withouit rose tinted glasses WWE has copied it.

Now for the debate about TNA being full of WWE wash ups, Jeff Hardy, Rob Van Dam, Mr. Anderson, Kurt Angle, Matt Morgan and Team 3D have something in common, The were all fu##ed over by WWE and chose to seek employment else where.

Robert Roode, James Storm, AJ Styles, Samoa Joe and Abyss are well put over stars that have been in out of the title picture and have all at one time been given the rub by an ex WWE wrestler not to mention all the great work that Christopher daniels, Kazarian and other X division wrestlers have done to make the company what it is today.

I hear that WWE are interested in bringing in Samoa Joe, Austin puts him over and all the fanboys wet the panties with excitement but Joe signed a new contract instead of going to WWE, even though he would be more exposed and make more money Joe decided to stay witha company he has faith in.

have fun watch John Cena Vs. CM Punk for the 9th time and Rock and Cena again after WWE billed it as "Once in a lifetime" I diodn't realise that a lifetime time is less the 18 months.

Quick question niteshadow- can you name 10 japanese wrestlers that haven't wrestled in American.

-heartpunch-

Like | October 30 2012 at 10:46:00 AM | Cruiserweight Champion | Reply

Who cares? Ryback is obviously a Goldberg rehash with a bit of Ultimate Warrior's cryptic mic work thrown in for good measure. Kane has recently become the second coming of Mankind (the funny Mankind...not the scary one)...so nothing's new...ever...

TNA didn't "invent" the "forbidden love" angle...or big metal cages...or spotfests...or brawls...

And 10 Japanese wrestlers I've never heard of....? Yeah...I don't care about that. Not at all.